Friday, Dec 3, 2004, 2:36 PM in The Spout
Another Reason To Hate The Dentist
Most of the worst experiences of my childhood involve the dentist. I have an active gag reflex and a general aversion to sitting still for long periods with nothing to do but let somebody poke my soft innards with a metal stick, so the dentist chair has never been a good fit for me. Today, I got another reason to hate the dentist.
Because Beaverton does not fluoridate their water and because he's a nine-year old boy, my youngest son Tom had 4 cavities to deal with today. He was nonchalant about the whole thing for the first hour alone in the chair while I waiting in the sitting room, never expressing concern or doubt about the experience to come, which made me believe that everything was going to be just fine. Even when he started crying a bit, I was able to maintain my seat, knowing that he leaned toward the dramatic. However, when he started screaming, that's when all 6'5" and 280 pounds of me barged through the door between the waiting area and the rending rooms, not stopping to ask the women milling around reception if that was OK and conscious but uncaring that the expression on my face stilled them to silence.
When I got back to the room where Tom was being impaled, the dentist was busy telling him that little girls cried less than he did. She further went on to tell him that he wasn't feeling "pain" at all but only "pressure," a sentiment she had to repeat several times while she asked the nurse to give her the extra gauze to staunch the profuse bleeding. I have to say that it was difficult to simultaneously comfort my son while expressing my displeasure at the dentist for both the potential physical and verified mental torture she was using on him. Probably it wasn't easy for her to concentrate on her dentistry in a completely focused manner while I loomed over her, but that's what you get for making my son cry for 30 minutes.
Anyway, at the end, as she informed me that she worked with children all the time and had two of her own (implying that the pain was somehow my son's fault, I'm guessing), she also reached for the referral pad for another dentist to fill the other two cavities, saving me the trouble of asking.
I hate the dentist.
P.S. After a McDonald's toy and chicken sandwich (eaten carefully from the un-decimated side of his mouth), Tom seems unaffected. However, I'm sure that the whole sordid experience will come roaring back to him in the future unless they've replaced the dentist with nanites and computer programs (or sledge hammers and chisels, which would be equally humane)...
Friday, Dec 3, 2004, 2:57 PM
Friday, Dec 3, 2004, 3:15 PM
Yes, dentists are lovely.
Friday, Dec 3, 2004, 3:27 PM
He then proceeded to sand-blast right through my enamel and into the root (with NO anesthetic, remember). I grabbed his hands while coming right up out of the chair. His response was "that shouldn't hurt." I too, hate the dentist.
Friday, Dec 3, 2004, 3:48 PM
Friday, Dec 3, 2004, 3:57 PM
Jokes about failing out of medical school come to mind.
Friday, Dec 3, 2004, 4:04 PM
Friday, Dec 3, 2004, 4:16 PM
Also, regarding fluoride in the water, there's a lot of evidence that suggests that it's actually a very bad thing, and at best only does a small amount to help fight cavities. External dental grade fluoride treatment is probably the best for children at a young age. It's a pretty quick (and painless - really!) process and doesn't have to be done too often. I'd highly recommend discussing fluoride treatment with your dentist if you haven't already. Best of luck to your dentist search. Hopefully you'll find someone that your son can have a great experience with, and maybe rely on for the next decade or two.
Friday, Dec 3, 2004, 4:30 PM
I know that doesn't help much now, but when you take him to the new dentist, make sure they apply sealant so that he never has to go thru this again.
Friday, Dec 3, 2004, 5:54 PM
Friday, Dec 3, 2004, 9:13 PM
Friday, Dec 3, 2004, 9:33 PM
I grew up in a town about 20 minutes from here, the last dentist I went to was the father of a friend. He said I had 12 cavities and set up an appointment to fill them. I decided to skip the appointment and went to a dentist here in Charlotte. He said I had 0 cavities but a couple places that could use some sealant. He said he couldn't understand why the first dentist claimed I had a dozen cavities. A few months later, the first dentist was busted for massive medicare and insurance fraud (charging for procedures on dead people and other people he'd never seen). Scary stuff.
However, flouride in water is just about useless. We've got the intarweb now, no reason we have to buy the line the flouride companies sold our governments back in the day.
Saturday, Dec 4, 2004, 6:58 AM
Why don't they all use the latest stuff?
Saturday, Dec 4, 2004, 10:38 AM
Sunday, Dec 5, 2004, 10:14 AM
Sunday, Dec 5, 2004, 11:19 AM
Ok back to the point. I went to a dentist who also said I only felt pressure and not pain. Well one day he decided to put on my crown without any drugs. I said NO, he said, yes you wont feel a thing. I ended up screaming very loudly in his office. After that he apologized and said I was one of the first.
Well, I know found a dentist who understands me. She explained my problems; 1) soft teeth due to acid, and 2) my body works off pain killers very quickly causing me to require double or triple the regular pain killers. One time while implanting a titanium pin she was concerned of an overdose because she gave me enough pain killers to subdue a horse.
Moral of the story is, Chris find the dentist that you like! They are there and those dentists that treat you like garbage are garbage dentists. My current dentist costs a bit more, but her work is worth every penny. Oh BTW, my experience has shown female dentists are more compassionate!
Sunday, Dec 5, 2004, 11:57 AM
From that point on I only went to the dentist when there was an immediate need. That need popped up recently as I had a really painful tooth. The dentist kindly told me that it was the least of my problems as I had an impacting tooth and I had to be referrred to the hospital as it was going to be difficult to remove. As the appointment date loomed I felt like I was on death row. As it turned out the consultant was quirte nice and gave me a choice:
1. Have it out now in situ.
2. Put to sleep and having it out.
"Hmm", I said "what does the process involve?"
Dentist replied, "Well we split the tooth down the middle and cut the gums; then we pull it out".
"Put to sleap please", my response :-)
Monday, Dec 6, 2004, 2:02 AM
It's not rocket science.
And I hope blaming it on the lack of fluoridation is a joke.
Monday, Dec 6, 2004, 2:27 AM
Kaisa M. Lindahl:
During the last years, there's been a few revolutionary gadgets for dentists. Digital Xray has been around for a while, so you don't have the embarassing situation of having your teeth removed on the wrong side. Then there's The Wand, which is an anasthetic thingy that looks a lot like a normal pen, with a really, really thin needle on it. THe injection is controlled by a pump that works without the dentist having to touch it, after offcourse having set it up with the right amount of anasthetic to use etc. And then there's treating cavities with Ozone. Don't remember just how it works chemically, but instead of drilling, you use Ozone to clear the cavity. New dentist things are kind of cool. Maybe you could find a more tech-savvy dentist, and maybe there will be less pain involved for the kid.
(and well, I quit my old programming job for the dentist boss. Coding while hearing the patients moan in pain is really not recomended...)
Monday, Dec 6, 2004, 3:46 AM
If dentists make those kinds of assumptions about adults, imagine how they treat children whom they probably assume are crying for unwarranted reasons.
God I hate the dentist... but my new one is the President of the state dental association. If I'm getting em filled - I'll get em filled by the best from now on.
Monday, Dec 6, 2004, 6:33 AM
Monday, Dec 6, 2004, 7:13 AM
That really pisses me off.
I mean, *really* pisses me off.
Not about the cavities, obviously, but that Tom's dentist (or: former dentist) is clearly a lunatic bastard.
I'm really surprised - not because I have any love for my own dentist (I've been in some very heated disputes with her), but because, regardless of profession, there are *limits* when it comes to conduct. She was completely out of line.
And this is coming from a guy who is *not* known for tact.
Monday, Dec 6, 2004, 3:12 PM
Dam, you could just waited a little bit longer to tell this story. Tomorrow I have a showdown with the Teeth Butcher aka Dentist ..... If i was not happy about it now I simply don't wan't to go!!!
(ok i did not want to go originally...but thats beside the point!!)
Monday, Dec 6, 2004, 4:29 PM
Monday, Dec 6, 2004, 4:55 PM
"Sit still! Your wriggling only makes it worse!"
When I'm not actully moving any darn bone or muscle.
"You need to brush more"
When I too. Brush every night & morning and floss. and all that...
I agree "DENTISTS HAVE TO CLEAN FOR THEMSELVES!!!" I wonder how many times they get check ups!
Answer: Every 60 years(Although I'll probably only be alive for one!)
Although my dentist says more logical stuff like:
"The pressure is causing pain" or
"later on you'll get pain from the pressure thats on your teeth right now"
Monday, Dec 6, 2004, 9:27 PM
While it sounds like your kid may have inherited cavity-prone teeth from you, there are a few things you can do that I know have helped me. After drinking soft-drinks, fruit juice, or anything else filled with acids and artificial sugars, I always got a drink of water with which I could forcibly swish the surfaces of my teeth to make sure I didn't just leave the stuff there to rot away my teeth. I also drank a lot of milk, which probably helped. *wry grin* So much for that now, what with re-developing lactose intolerance, although I supplement my diet with that calcium-enriched orange juice.
Wednesday, Dec 8, 2004, 12:25 PM
Wednesday, Dec 8, 2004, 5:10 PM
Sorry to hear that. I've had the same dentist since I was 10 (I'm now 40). I love the guy. He is soooo good at what he does.
Mine will stop if there's any pain and use more anesthetic (Hey, it's not always easy to numb certain teeth). He is genuinely concerned that the experience be good.
I just sat through a two hour root canal and experienced a small abount of pain (at which he stopped and applied more anesthetic) for all of two minutes during the entire procedure.
Sounds like your dentist has a lousy bedside manner. That said I think "hating" dentists because of your experience is as stupid as "hating" Microsoft employees for all the buggy software we have get from you (anyone else ever had Word crash and lost an entire days work???).
Find a new dentist. Ask around for people's recommendations. There are plenty of good ones.
Wednesday, Dec 8, 2004, 6:33 PM
I think sadists used to love becoming dentists, from all the stories I hear. My wife certainly had one when she was a kid. Thank goodness my dad was a wonderful and caring man...
Another dentist in our neighborhood (I went to school with his daughters) told a 16 year old beauty (that I dated several years later) that dentists were now starting to do breast exams, and proceeded to feel her up. She told her mom, but they didn't do anything else about it - he'd been their dentist for years...
My boys (ages 6 & 7) go to a "childrens dentist" - he has video games and a kid friendly environment. He has pulled baby teeth from both my guys, and they never complained at all - they're happy to go back. So I think he's a keeper.
I think the REAL lesson is to do just what you did - get away from the bad ones and find a good one...
Thursday, Dec 9, 2004, 3:41 PM
Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004, 8:35 AM
Friday, Dec 17, 2004, 3:48 PM
I also feel that u should not get put off if a dentist treats you really badly..i mean try to forget about it coz if u have the mindset tt dentists are scary den its really going to be scary the next time you have to go for a dental treatment...good luck and stay happy=)
Monday, Jan 10, 2005, 4:57 AM
Friday, Sep 16, 2005, 6:48 AM
Just another mean old dentist:
Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006, 5:43 PM
I am sorry to hear that your son had an awful experience at the dental office.
As a dentist, I can speak from experience that children are often hard to read and one of the more difficult patients to treat. I don't agree with the comments made by the dentist in regards to calling your son a girl for crying, but often we are just trying to do our job. There is a good chance your kid wasn't in pain at all. I don't know, I was not there. I've had kids scream when I purposely sprayed water on their gums and not even touch them with any instruments, just to confirm they are being overly dramatic, just to have no response when I poked the same area with an explorer. Many of these comments are ridiculous as my colleague above had mentioned. I just hate how people group all dentists as being the same. Would you say all waiters, mechanics, or pro athletes are the same?
As for your comment about being 6'5, 280 lbs lol, I'd like to see you try to intimidate me. We'll see who has more to lose. I hate bullies. Any physical harm upon me, my disability insurance takes care of me not to mention any future legal (both civil and criminal implications) action against you. I do dentistry not for the money but because I love the profession. I can retire any day now, I don't need your stupid kids giving me a hard time. Don't like my response? Don't go to the dentist, you'll be begging for treatment when you get an abscessed tooth that keeps you up all night because you left untreated decay for so long. I have plenty of patients as it is, I don't need anymore asshole patients thinking they own the world to show up as there are many others who appreciate my services. I've always said, if 99/100 people think I'm good, I could really give a shit about what the 1/100 says. Chances are, that 1/100 is the asshole no one likes anyways.
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